Cool appaloosa [ x ]

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TQ. Let The Eagle Fly
looking x Impressive Black Gold

Appaloosa - 2010 - Stallion - White (?)

after all this talking about him will i save him.

[Shelly]

Genetically white is impossible. There is a white gene lurking around but it's not in his pedigree. His sire is a black few spot leopard. Few spots can appear all white. I think that may be what he is, based upon his parents (Black Few Spot Leopard).

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Could you be so nice and help me found a sire with that gene? Have tried all day but I'm terrible on this!

[Shelly]

The picture you have is plausible for a black few spot, however if I believe right a few spot is a homozygous Appaloosa, carrying two copies of the Leopard Complex (Lp) gene.

If you are looking for a true genetically white Appaloosa, I'm not sure if it has been recorded in the breed or not. I know it has been recorded in the Thoroughbred breed. As far as I can tell, the "white" Appaloosas people see are few spots. If you're interested in a white Appaloosa, it would probably be a few spot. Like I mentioned above, I believe a few spot Appaloosa is homozygous for the Leopard Complex (Lp) and would need two parents carrying the gene.

Hope this helps? Otherwise I probably just confused the heck out of you lol.

Edit;; Maybe Ashlee can input more on the White gene. I will look into it some more.

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If we look on his other picture:


Doesn't it looks like he is like créme with white spots on his neck?

The horse on the pictures real name is High Limit and here is his certificate:
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But still. How should I breed to get that color? I sending a PM to ashlee, maybe she knows

Edit by Ashlee: I removed the link to the horse's registration papers because it was hotlinked.

[kaimelstable]

Homozygous Appaloosas are few spots (LpLp). They are white with just a couple of spots on them which is what he probably is.

I think the white gene you are talking about is called Dominant White, which can be passed on but starts as a mutant gene. So it isn't necessarily always passed on. But its extremely rare for it to spontaneously occur. I also haven't heard of it in Appaloosas but I know of a Quarter Horse stallion that carries it. His name is GQ Santana and he was the first Quarter Horse to carry it. So if you want a true white horse maybe you could use him or one of his offspring as the sire. I do think its much more likely though that he is a few spot that looks white.


EDIT
Also that horses half/full brother (not sure which) looks just like him and is a few spot.

[indiza]

It doesn't look like he has blue eyes, which pretty much rules out creme... =/ Unless the pictures are really misleading, of course.

If you look at his sire, who is also registered as 'white', it looks quite likely that he's actually a fewspot with very minimal colour... The sire is definitely not a creme (look at his eyes... and his pedigree), and since the dam isn't, either, I don't think it's possible that this guy carries Cr.

So I'm inclined to think that this guy is also a fewspot. He may have started out with more pigment as a baby, and varnished out... Or he could just be one of those few spots that have no spots at all!

Regardless, he's gorgeous and I wish I could steal him... damn, Alberta is so far from Toronto... lol

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Both the pictures I showed is of same horse, High Limit. Can use him like father (lol feel stupid to use High Limit's pictures to "High Limits" offspring). But do I've to change dam or is it something more about genes I don't know?

And is this gene dominate or could they get another color on their offspring? I mean, is it possible or most unlikly. All this talking make me want to save him. Interesting

[kaimelstable]

A lot of his relatives look like him so you could maybe use them as the sire of their picture (you might want to ask permission).

And is this gene dominate or could they get another color on their offspring? I mean, is it possible or most unlikly. All this talking make me want to save him. Interesting

What genes are you reffering you? The LpLp (few spot) or Dominant White?

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I wish I could see that he isn't creme by looking on his eyes, pedigree and so on, Indiza. But I can't, don't know this much about colors. I know bay, grey, palomino, black and these easy colors. (A) lol

[indiza]

hehe, I looked him up on allbreedpedigree to find his sire There's a picture of him on there.

Yes, if you wanted to use High Limit (or High Limit's sire) as the sire of that horse, it would definitely work, as long as the dam is also an Appaloosa. She doesn't have to be few spot, just as long as she carries the 'Appalosa gene' (Lp).

The Lp gene is very complicated, and I won't even go into it because I'll just end up confusing both of us LOL. But basically, if a horse is a fewspot Appaloosa, it means that all of their babies will have the 'Appaloosa gene'. They may not all SHOW an Appaloosa pattern, but they'll all at least have Appaloosa characteristics (striped hooves, mottled skin, white sclera).

Dominant White is a completely seperate gene, also very complicated and confusing. But it is dominant, hence the name.

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kaimelstable: I've no idea. what i've understand of that you said is that i should use High Limit as sire to do it possible to get the color on TQ. Let The Eagle Fly. My question is if I need to change dam or could keep her? Which gene do you think I should take? I've no idea ^^' and again do I feel very stupid

[indiza]

Cremello, Perlino, Smoky Creme (double Creme) horses all have blue eyes So if a horse looks like it could be one of those colours, but doesn't have blue eyes, it can't be.

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Yes the dam cares the appaloosa gene.

[kaimelstable]

If you decide to make him a few spot then his LpLp gene will be dominant and any offspring he produces will have an Appaloosa pattern.

Haha don't feel stupid. Appaloosa's can be confusing (Dominant White is much more confusing in my opinion though). Also your sire/dam is fine