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Post by C&H Ranch on Mar 28, 2012 19:21:28 GMT -5
If you choose page two of this thread, the very top post of that has new info regarding this idea...and a link for review. How interested would you guys be in a stallion service auction and subsequent yearly lucrative show and race for the foals produced from that auction? To expand on the idea, what I am thinking is something similar to what we do in Horses Forever with the Arabian Horse Association's Scottsdale Futurity Auction and the HF Arabian Jockey Club's Blood Horse Breeding Auction. Basically a certain amount of stallions per owner are allowed to be nominated on the auction board. Members bid upon breedings to those stallions during the auction period. Stallions who are bid upon are automatically nominated the next year. Resulting foals from those winning bids, and ONLY from those breedings purchased at the auction (not just breedings from the stallion), can be nominated in the program to compete in the special classes/races offered only once a year...at the Scottsdale for AHA horses, the Blood Horse Cup for the AJC (which is our equivalent to the TB world's Breeder's Cup). Obviously something for All-Sim would have to include more breeds than the breed-specific AHA and AJC, which puts a different spin on the classes offered. That would have to be determined at a later date. But I was just throwing this out there as an idea to all of you. I think it could be a successful and looked-forward-to event here in All-Sim, plus it would bring a LOT of top-quality hand-picked stallions from different areas of Sim and the world together in one place for a special offering. Plus...I feel bad that I only procure breedings from your awesome stallions in All-Sim, troll the forums every day, and that's it LOL. So...I was wondering how many people would actually be interested in something like this, and how many people would like to participate in the auction, follow through with the registration of their foals, and participate in the yearly show? I say yearly show because it makes it that much more special and anticipated, plus your horses obviously can still compete elsewhere. If you want on overview of what I'm sort of thinking, here is the link to my HFAJC: hfajc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bloodhorseIt has more regulations, etc. than the AHA for obvious reasons...it's racing. I also started it this year, but it's based on the AHA's. Here is the HFAHA's program, which has been successful for a few years now in HF: hfaha.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=seafinfoAnyway...just throwing this out there and starting discussion. Let me know what you think!
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Post by Tessa on Mar 28, 2012 20:05:13 GMT -5
I love the idea! I've been thinking about doing something like this for a while, but I've never had the organization to get something like this started. I would definitely participate
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Post by shay on Mar 29, 2012 0:44:07 GMT -5
That sounds like a great idea and lots of fun! I would be interested for sure...awesome idea.
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Post by C&H Ranch on Mar 29, 2012 14:51:14 GMT -5
I don't mind organizing it...I've already done the bulk of it for my own association, lol. I can starting throwing it together on HF's forum at the Inter-game section (I'm an admin on there so it would be easier) for everyone to get their two cents in on before it's a real thing.
Any ideas for names? It has to sound good for the auction and the big show, plus have a good (and small) acronym. And it has to relate to what it really is about, you know...lots of breeds, all games/All-Sim, etc. I thought Inter-Game Stallion Auction (IGSA) or All Breed Stallion Auction (ABSA), but I thought that sounded kind of lame. I liked the flow of ABSA though.
Any ideas on the time of year the auction and the show should be held? I would imagine they would both be around the same time, so that A. people can breed their foals and then enter the show (if the auction came first) or B. people can be excited about entering their last year foals (void this year, obviously) in the show while purchasing new breedings for this year foal (or next year foals). OR...we could hold the auction at the end of the year, like November/December and have the show in January or February so the new foal crops could participate? We could always speed it up for this year and hold it sold of belated for 2012, then start with the normal schedule in 2013.
Or am I thinking too much into it? LOL. Any ideas/thoughts/opinions?
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Post by Tessa on Mar 29, 2012 15:05:38 GMT -5
I like the idea of holding the auction in December/January and then the show in February or March. This would allow for everyone to use the breedings in their foal crops and get the foals created and ready for the show. I would be more than happy to help out with whatever you need done
As for a name I like All Breed Stallion Auction.
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Post by Julia on Mar 30, 2012 8:49:30 GMT -5
I really really like this idea!!! A few thoughts:
ASBA sounds awesome for a name - nice and easy to remember... and I don't think there's anything close to it in the all sim commuynity, acronym-wise.
One concern I have as far as when it's held... The end of the year is usually a reallllly busy time, for both staff and members... Tessa's running the HOTY contest for roughly the last and first two months of the year - Association members are trying to get all shows done, and world end shows if they have them. Plus organizing all our horses to enter all these wonderful things. Having said that - I think the beginning of the year would be better than the end of the year, for hosting the auction and the show.... Maybe January for the auction, feb for the show? I know I like to have a lot of time to decide on breedings, or offering horses.
Would there be points given for winning ribbons, or just the prestige of competing?
I really love this idea! Would you be interested in added incentives for allsim associations - and/or for the equivalent association in HF, if members don't compete in allsim? Like, the points (if there are any for the big event) could count toward an association's title if the foal compete in that association?
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Post by Lin Ryder on Mar 30, 2012 9:46:12 GMT -5
It seems like a really cool idea and making it yearly would make the foals so much more special. I'd participate in this =)
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Post by shay on Mar 31, 2012 0:42:56 GMT -5
I also think the end of the year is way to busy for me. There is just so much going on already plus thats when my horses age and usually move up levels so I redo all my entries as well as all the holidays in r/l that keep many people away from sim a bit. However I do think early in the year would be a good time and I like the idea of having the auction first then the show that way the new foals get to compete right away...that would be more exciting.
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Post by C&H Ranch on Mar 31, 2012 14:32:15 GMT -5
Thank you for your input, guys! It all helps.
You guys are right...the beginning/end of the year is definitely busy for all of us...myself included with my HF responsbilities. Maybe we could mix it up and make it a summer thing? I originally thought end or beginning of the year because that's when the majority of us release foal crops...but I guess it wouldn't make a difference on WHEN the show was held if you had planned the breeding the year before with the auction breeding purchase. You could still have your foal in the normal January and then be able to enter it in the show when that comes back around. So like June for auction and July for the show, in case people want to use their breeding that year? Members are usually out of school at that time, too (though a lot of us aren't in school any longer haha). So maybe a nice summer event (or winter for you southern hemisphere guys lol) at a time when associations are simply rolling through their seasons and there's not as much happening, like Nationals or Year End Awards?
Julia - In regards to awards, I hadn't really come to that yet as far as organization. What kind of awards do you guys value in All-Sim the most? In HF we award association points and money purses...do you guys like "ribbons" (which I would imagine could be a small banner that you can display on your horse's page, if you choose), money, etc.?
I also thought that once we started rolling on this and establish a class list, we could have associations and stables sponsor certain classes. Say I would like to sponsor the Junior Arabian class...so it would be called C&H Ranch Junior Arabian In-Hand or something to that effect, and C&H would put some money towards the champion titleship of that class. I would also like to see if All-Sim associations and even sim games are willing to put a certain amount of points/incentives towards their breed/discipline in the show. That would be awesome, and put even more prestige into it. Plus that would bring us all together further, which is nice too.
Which also brings me to another question...what about age limits on this show? Obviously the horse would be nominated for life, being a son/daughter of an auction breeding, and if an ungelded male earns a championship at the show he is allowed free entry to the stallion nomination in the auction. Do we want to keep it simplified and allow only junior horses competition in it? Like...up to four or six years old? I'd imagine there's going to be a large scope of breeds and disciplines offered at this...and keeping it younger horses would keep the class list from having to offer everything up into the FEI levels and such, you know? Plus in the ages of four to six thereabouts, it will allow under saddle classes to be included. I think that would make the show more interesting and lucrative than just simply halter. In the AHA we offer halter classes for the youngsters that they compete in every year until they are three, and then they can enter one year of under saddle classes at three years old - futurity classes. The AJC offers a halter classlist for weanlings+ and a race card that spans from maiden to G1 stakes, for all ages basically. It's lifetime-entry ability, basically, for as long as the horse has a racing career anyway. Thoughts?
I'm really glad at everyone's excitement about this! I think we could make this a pretty big event that would be looked forward to every year. Plus, how cool is it that we could all come together like that?
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Post by Amanda H on Mar 31, 2012 16:33:51 GMT -5
This is a really neat idea! I'd definitely be excited to see this happen. And summer would definitely be a easier time
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Post by Lin Ryder on Mar 31, 2012 17:20:04 GMT -5
Not sure about summer time .. alot of people seem to vanish from the sim world during the summer .. fall or spring I think would be a better time...
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Post by Tessa on Mar 31, 2012 17:28:43 GMT -5
I haven't really read over all of these posts yet, but I did see your question about prizes for all simmers. For me, my favorite prize is association points lol. If you would consider giving points from all sim associations, I'd be happy to allow points from the breed (possibly discipline) associations that I run here at SAI
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Post by C&H Ranch on Mar 31, 2012 18:32:05 GMT -5
I would love for associations to participate. I've set up a thread on the board I'm making for association/registry/game owners to offer incentives and such at their own creativity. I'm working on the board(s) and will release it soon for review and additional input because I'm sure I haven't addressed anything yet. ETA - make that *some things,* not anything LOL.
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Post by shay on Mar 31, 2012 18:55:25 GMT -5
Tessa that is a great idea! I would also LOVE points for the allsim associations! Also I vote for spring time...thats when a lot of people seem to have their foal crops (if they can wait that long ha ha). Then its still toward the start of the year but before people vanish and there is still spring break for those in school. I know spring break is not long and different for different areas but it could be around that time.
As far as the classlist I think jr horses only would be okay. Or maybe for older horses you could combine classes. It could look something like this for english classes:
Sr. Dressage Horse I (for third and fourth level) Sr. Dressage Horse II (for prix st. george and intermediare I) Sr. Dressage Horse III (for intermediare II and grand prix) Sr. Show Jumper I (3'6-4') Sr. Show Jumper II (4'-4'6) Sr. Show Jumper II (4'6-5'3) Sr. Event Horse I (Training and Prelim) Sr. Event Horse II (Intermediate and Advanced)
I don't know much about western or arabian classes so I don't know if this kind of combining of classes would work for everything. It may be too confusing or still too many classes...just another idea. It may be nice to incoorporate Sr. horse classes also for those who do not age yearly because otherwise their horses only get to compete in the show a couple times.
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Post by C&H Ranch on Mar 31, 2012 20:58:05 GMT -5
Shay - I didn't think about that...that's a very good point about the horses that are aged quicker. We probably should include Sr. classes too then...and maybe combine certain classes like you showed above for both Jr. and Sr. Plus that would provide for more competition within each class set.
Wasn't there a discussion about classlists and such around here awhile back? I don't know much about dressage, jumping, x-country, etc. so I would love input on those classes what to provide.
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