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Post by Lin Ryder on Mar 21, 2012 12:34:04 GMT -5
I was just wondering how you guys let your horses advance through the levels, in the english disciplines for instance? Hunter, eventing, dressage and jumping. Do you have a system or do you change yearly or what?
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Post by Tessa on Mar 21, 2012 12:47:49 GMT -5
I advance/start my horses based on age. Below is the system I use.
This one was posted on WF awhile back and I decided to advance my dressage horses based on it. It was created by Nocturna for the Impulsion Dressage Federation.
3 year old - Introductory Level 4 year old - Training Level 5 year old - Level I 6 year old - Level II 7 year old - Level III 8 year old - Level IV 9-10 year old - PSG 11-12 year old - Intermediare I 13-14 year old - Intermediare II 15 and up - Grand Prix
This is how I advance/start my eventing horses. I haven't come up with a set system for jumpers or hunters yet
4yo || Beginner Novice Level 5yo || Novice Level 6yo || Training Level 7yo || Preliminary Level/CCI* Level 8 - 9yo || Intermediate Level/CCI** Level 10 - 11yo || Advanced Level/CCI*** Level & CCI**** Level [more advanced, like olympics or rolex level)
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Post by indiza on Mar 21, 2012 13:16:27 GMT -5
Tessa's systems are pretty much spot on for both dressage and eventing - except in eventing the CCI/CIC levels are not 'higher' than advanced. They correspond to other levels, they are just real 'events' (2/3 day) rather than 'horsetrials' (1 day only). CCI/CIC* = Preliminary CCI/CIC** = Intermediate CCI/CIC*** = Advanced CCI/CIC*** = Advanced (but even more advanced - like Olympics or Rolex) I will sometimes move a horse up through the levels more quickly if they are doing really well and winning everything in sight, especially at the lower levels... Like a really athletic 5yo could easily go Training, or an 8yo could be going advanced (though probably not ***/****). For dressage, the same thing applies - an exceptionally athletic 9yo who's been bred for the dressage ring could easily handle Grand Prix and do well. For the jumpers (and for dressage, actually), a lot of classes actually have age guidelines in RL - like for jumpers there are 'young jumper' classes for 4yos, 5yos, and 6yos. Same for dressage (FEI young horse classes). So I generally look at what height/level those classes correspond to and base my entries on that (and then move them up a level ish every year after that). For hunters its not so much based on age as years of showing - so you'll see first year green, second year green, and so on. In SIM I generally start my hunters over fences as 4yos in the pre green classes (I can't remember off the top of my head what height this is, but it's somewhere around 2'6" or 3'), then move them to first year green (3'6") the following year, and then second year green (3'9") the year after. After that, the more successful/promising ones go into the Regular Working and/or 'big' Equitation classes, and the others become Childrens/Junior/Amateur Hunters or Equitation ponies. That's pretty much how I handle all of my levelling up... but I'm also relatively obsessed with realism lol so you may find this a bit compulsive Could someone chime in with some insight about levelling in the western disciplines? I'm kind of muddling through lol but I really have no idea how it all works in RL and I'm curious (due to the aforementioned obsession with realism ).
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Post by Julia on Mar 21, 2012 13:39:31 GMT -5
Although I would be better to do by age, I go by year... Typically most of my horses start at the lowest possible level, and each year work their way up a level, regardless of how old they actually are when starting their show career...
For instance, Cardinal Law is in his teens and I have him competing in second level dressage because i've only had him a couple years
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Post by Tessa on Mar 21, 2012 14:13:46 GMT -5
Thank you Indiza! I had no clue about the eventing levels, I haven't had a chance to sit down and learn about eventing yet...I'll have to edit that into my lists.
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Post by C&H Ranch on Mar 21, 2012 15:05:28 GMT -5
I go by year as well. Like in the AHA in HF for dressage (you are familiar with that), I will start a horse in the Training Level Jr. Horse class at three. Then at four it's in the first level (maybe I'll keep it back a year, depends on what I feel like and the horse), at five it's in second, at six in third, etc.
When I retire a horse from the track, say at six, then it will start at the training level. At seven it will be at second level. Eight at third level, and so on. I will cross-enter (legally) with other disciplines, such as hunter under saddle or whatever, but when a horse reaches Prix St. Georges level (FEI basically) and I want the horse to continue with dressage as its main career, it will only show in that and sport horse show hack.
As far as saddleseat and western, that's based on age. Three to five years of age for the junior class, six and up for the open. I won't show them in Park until they reach five or six.
For racing, I start them all in maiden and go from there based on lineage and how well they are doing. One of my geldings never did well in higher levels such as derby, etc. so he's remained at allowance level. He won almost all of his races last year...of course there were hardly any entries, but his race record looks pretty spectacular! LOL! And then I have Ehecatl whom the randomizer seems to love and he places well often, enough so that he won the AJC Triple Crown in 2011, and he shows in G1 stakes races because he worked his way through the system. I pretty much go off of their performance record in the first few races and establish the best place for them, then keep them there.
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Post by Tessa on Mar 21, 2012 15:36:24 GMT -5
Indiza, for the western pleasure classes in the US, they are run based on age and not on level (I'm not sure how it is elsewhere).
Futurity classes are usually for 2 - 3 year olds (sometimes called green classes). Junior classes are for horses 4 - 6YO and senior classes are for 7 & over. The AQHA also does maturity classes which I believe are only for senior horses, but I don't have much experience with those, so I'm not 100% sure. For the youth western pleasure classes, it goes by youth's age and not horses age.
I'm not sure about the working western classes, maybe Ashlee or Meaghan can help with those
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Post by kaimelstable on Mar 21, 2012 17:39:04 GMT -5
I start horses at the lower levels regardless of age unless the owner sells them at a certain level at the time I purchase a horse. Then I level them up when I feel they have done well enough to do so. I used to have an actual system where a horse actually had to compete well enough to move up in the ranks and it got harder for my horses to progress the higher up the levels it went. Was something like:
For the ASDA the horse would need to have a Champion title and 10 top 5 placings to move up to Training Level and couldn't be younger than 4 (or something like that).
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Post by Nicole on Mar 22, 2012 10:11:12 GMT -5
I start at 3yrs old for Introductory and add one year for each level. Horses usually advance one level each year.
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