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Post by kaimelstable on May 1, 2011 18:29:47 GMT -5
Warmbloods are often bred using another breed mixed in, like breeding a Dutch Warmblood to a Thoroughbred or Swedish Warmblood. They aren't always bred pure. So what breeds are acceptable to cross them with and what would just make a horse a sporthorse?
For instance I'd love to cross my Warmbloods with other breeds like some stock horses that are crossed with Thoroughbreds. But would that cross be considered a Warmblood or Sporthorse?
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Post by Hanna on May 1, 2011 18:53:52 GMT -5
A sporthorse isn't exactly a breed, it's a more general term used to describe any horse that competes in eventing, hunter/jumpers, dressage, etc.
If you cross any of your warmbloods to a stock horse, you can register the foal as an "American Warmblood" because American Warmblood registries are so open and will register almost any warmblood-type crossbreed.
In real life, each warmblood breed registry has inspections. They each have their own breed standard, but many are very similar. Many real life stallions are approved for breeding for two or more breeds. So just because my stallion is an Oldenburg, he may be able to produce Westphalian, Hanoverian, and Holsteiner babies also.
The exception is the Trakehner, which has a more closed studbook than other warmbloods and only accepts Trakehners, Thoroughbreds, and Arabians for breeding. So if you breed a Trakehner to say, a Hanoverian, you're better off registering the foal as a Hanoverian.
In sim, there aren't really any approval processes. I usually just pick one of the parents' breeds, usually the mares, and register the foal as such. I pretty much pretend that my horses are approved for breeding whatever I feel like. It's maybe not realistic, but you also cannot realistically have inspections for every sim warmblood out there for every warmblood breed. If a horse has stock horse blood, it should be an American Warmblood, because most other warmblood associations probably wouldn't accept horses with stock blood. Most do accept Thoroughbreds for breeding though, so if you cross a thoroughbred to a warmblood, just register it as whatever warmblood breed the warmblood parent was.
Hope this makes sense. (:
Edit- Also, a lot of times in real life how the foal is registered depends on where the foal is born. For example, many warmblood breeders in Sweden breed Swedish Warmbloods. In Belgium there are Belgian Warmblood breeders. In Germany, any of the German Warmblood breeds, etc. So if a Hanoverian stallion was purchased by a warmblood breeder in Sweden, that horse would probably be approved for Swedish Warmbloods and sire Swedish Warmblood foals. Before he was imported, he may have sired Hanoverian or Holsteiner foals, or whatever.
Also, a lot of the above is based on what I do, not necessarily how everyone does things. In sim warmblood breeding, there's a lot of personal preference going on. I know some people who prefer to list warmbloods as crossbreeds if they are, for example, sired by a Hanoverian stallion out of a Dutch Warmblood mare. Other people would list that same horse as a Dutch Warmblood, because the dam was a Dutch Warmblood. And some people would call it a Hanoverian, because it might be registered as such in real life. So really, a lot of it is up to you when crossing warmbloods in sim.
And as I mentioned before, horses with both warmblood and stock horse blood would most likely be considered American Warmbloods, or you could just list them as crossbreeds or Sporthorses. I just prefer American Warmblood because it is more like an actual breed, lol. And I do have an "Irish Sport Horse" that is actually 50% Irish Draught, 25% Thoroughbred, and 25% Appaloosa. So it really is personal preference in sim, although there would likely be technical rules for real life associations and registries.
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Post by kaimelstable on May 1, 2011 19:42:39 GMT -5
Thank you very much Hanna I have a basic understanding of Warmblood breeding in RL but obviously in sim things have to be a bit different I asked about the acceptable crosses because I breed Dutch & Westphalians only. But I wanted to cross them with stock/stock sporthorses to breed more Dutch & Westphalians. Just wanna make sure its okay to call them Dutch & Westphalians foals lol.
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Post by Shelly on May 1, 2011 20:06:45 GMT -5
The only "Warmblood" AQHA/APHA/ApHC horses out there are registered with the American Warmblood registry, as Hanna pointed out, they are a very open studbook. There are some, like the Trake book, that approves Thoroughbreds and Arabians, as well as "purebred" Trakes, but then there are those, like the Royal Dutch Warmblood book, that accepts "pure" Dutch Warmbloods and sometimes Thoroughbreds, depending on if they pass their approvals or not. The German Warmblood (ZfDP or something like that) is kind of like the American Warmblood, so it's basically open to anything. The various state studbooks (Hanoverian, Holsteiner, Oldenburg, ect.) are very specific.
So if you breed an AQHA/APHA/ApHC to a Warmblood, if you want to "register" it as anything, the most logical would be an American Warmblood. I have an American Warmblood from approved parents, one is a Quarter and one is a Oldenburg, haha, but that was from a game.
To get a Dutch Warmblood, you'd have to bred two Dutches and sometimes there are Thoroughbreds that are approved for the Royal studbook, so you could have DWB x TB and have an approved DWB.
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Post by Hanna on May 1, 2011 21:27:20 GMT -5
I am not wrong about that, "sporthorse" is not a breed. "Irish Sport Horse" or "British Sport Horse" is a breed.
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Post by kaimelstable on May 1, 2011 23:11:45 GMT -5
I've never heard of Dutch Warmbloods having a closed stud book. I've always seen theirs as open. But I gathered that stock crosses would have to be American WB. I figured as much honestly but wanted to double check.
And yeah I've never considered a "sporthorse" a breed.
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Post by kaimelstable on May 2, 2011 1:18:54 GMT -5
Shelly I don't know where you heard that but you got me curious so I took a look at the actual approved studs listed. They have a whole separate section to list Thoroughbreds which I thought was interesting as well as Gelderlanders. I saw lots of Trakehners & Holsteiners listed too. The horse that won horse of the year within that studbook or what not appears to be half Trakehner as well. Or am I reading the site wrong and missed something?
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