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Post by Tessa on Apr 21, 2011 10:28:04 GMT -5
Hey Guys!
Im working on creating the breeding contract for Southern Crest Stud and I wanted to hear yall's thoughts. What do you put in your contract? What clauses don't bother you and which don't you like to see when you're breeding to a stallion?
Any input is greatly appreciated! Tessa
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Post by Julia on Apr 21, 2011 10:43:05 GMT -5
I don't like having to include the stallion owner's prefix on the resulting foal, specially if it's out of my mare. I'll forego the breeding entirely... I've only ever seen this very rarely though.
I request an active url for the foal when someone breeds to my boys... Only because I really like seeing what other stallions have produced by looking at their offspring. It gives me a good judge of if the horse is a stellar breeder. (less important in allsim, admittedly, but still neat to see what kind of foals a horse has sired.)
Suitable Breed crossings. - IE. Morgan x Arabian. TB x Andalusian. etc. It bugs me to see a "mutt" type horse.
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Post by Tessa on Apr 21, 2011 11:43:57 GMT -5
Thank you for the input Jules! This is really helpful!
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Post by Angel on Apr 21, 2011 12:27:22 GMT -5
I delete foals breed from my stallions rather then reclaim them... Makes it a lot easier. (Brains not working today... sorry thats all i got)
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Post by indiza on Apr 21, 2011 13:47:43 GMT -5
I would never breed to a stallion that required the stallion owner's prefix/suffix on the foal... completely unrealistic Other than that, the only conditions I put on foals from my guys (and the only conditions I will agree to when breeding to outside stallions) are keep 'em active, and page URLs. If I really like the stallion, I'll sometimes agree to buybacks, too. But anything that involves regular check-ins, or updates, or "horses must be shown at least this often", or what-have-you is a deal breaker for me because of how erratic my real life schedule is. And I'd never ask anyone to abide by any "rules" that I wouldn't accept myself. Hopefully this helps!
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Post by Shelly on Apr 21, 2011 15:00:29 GMT -5
I would never breed to a stallion that required the stallion owner's prefix/suffix on the foal... completely unrealistic Other than that, the only conditions I put on foals from my guys (and the only conditions I will agree to when breeding to outside stallions) are keep 'em active, and page URLs. If I really like the stallion, I'll sometimes agree to buybacks, too. But anything that involves regular check-ins, or updates, or "horses must be shown at least this often", or what-have-you is a deal breaker for me because of how erratic my real life schedule is. And I'd never ask anyone to abide by any "rules" that I wouldn't accept myself. Hopefully this helps! I basically agree with this all. Except, there's a few things I don't like to see. I usually do not horses to compete in halter as it really bugs the heck out of me. Unless I breed a horse specifically for halter, but that ain't happenin' in the near future. It's a clause I put in my contract as it's happening more and more despite my requests...
I usually don't mind if someone approaches me and asks for a breeding to my stallions to a mare of a different breed. I take into consideration what the breed/breeding would be in RL and compare it to my stallion. If that makes any sense? Lol.
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Post by kaimelstable on Apr 21, 2011 19:12:45 GMT -5
I don't like excessive restrictions. I ask for url, buybacks/reclaiming rights, just so if the person leaves sim or vanishes for like a year I can sell the foal to someone else. I don't care how much you show them I just don't want them to vanish into thin air.
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Post by Hanna on Apr 21, 2011 21:05:03 GMT -5
I personally do not have a strict stud contract. I just ask for page URLs so that I can follow the foal's progress. I don't ask for buybacks if my boy was bred to someone else's mare because let's face it, I'm not the breeder of that horse. I don't mind giving stallion owners buybacks if the stud is really nice though.
I would never breed to a stallion that required the stallion owners prefix.
I can't think of anything else at the moment, but I know there are other conditions that I've seen that made me not breed to a particular stallion... I'll let you know if I remember..
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Post by Mallory on Apr 21, 2011 21:14:23 GMT -5
I pretty much agree with what has been said. I don't agree to stallion's prefixes because the stallion doesn't actually breed the horse, the mare does.
Besides that I usually just ask for an active URL at all times, so that I have links in case I want to look at anything, such as seeing how the stallion's foals are doing.
Can't think of much else..
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Post by C&H Ranch on Apr 21, 2011 21:27:53 GMT -5
I think if the contract is reasonable, like a working URL, the promise of sending the basic foal information, and the like then it's cool. If there are clauses that contain using the stallion's prefix/suffix (which I simply won't do), a requirement of a certain amount of activity, etc. I won't consider it either. Buybacks are here and there...it depends on if I see keeping the foal in the long term. I personally don't ask for buybacks on foals bred from my stallions or personalized breedings because, after all, the person came to me for a breeding and if they purchase it, it is theirs. I certainly don't mind taking the foal if no one else does in the instance of a person quitting or something. I don't know...I just like real leniency in stallion breedings, and that's how it is in real life too. Now purchasing a foal I bred myself and put effort into, then that's a different story. I also generally hold HF members to a stricter contract that All-Sim members because I simply won't be able to keep track of the foals, and I know that.
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Post by Tessa on Apr 22, 2011 8:19:44 GMT -5
Thank you to all for their import! Here's what Im thinking. Im not going to ask anyone to follow a condition that I wouldn't follow.
No worries about any kind of prefix other than your own, Im not big on it and I would make anyone do that.
- Paqe url within 14 days (this is just so that I have it for dad's page and having it due within a time period insures that it won't be forgotten.) - Keep the foals active (activity insures that the SCS stallions are being promoted and that their foals are being taken care of. Foals won't be reclaimed or deleted should they fall inactive, I will however contact foal owners to see about purchasing the foal and either keeping it at SAI/SCS or rehoming it [of course foal owner contracts would apply, but there would also be a very small and limited sales contract from SCS on the foal; mostly just buybacks and reclaiming rights in the event that the foal breeder does not come back to sim so that the foal won't be lost in cyber space) - There will be some breeding restrictions as far as cross breeding goes. Acceptable cross breeds will be allowed and a list of the acceptable breeds will be found on each stallion's page. - Foal naming to follow real life breed restrictions (this helps to keep things realistic).
I've also decided to add an incentive to the SCS stallion foals. There will be a special "association" of sorts just for these foals. They will be able to earn titles, participate in shows and contests. What do yall think?
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Post by Hanna on Apr 22, 2011 12:57:58 GMT -5
Those conditions sound good to me! Something else I've thought of is naming. Many breeds have naming restrictions, and when someone breeds to my stallions, I prefer (though don't require) that naming rules for the breed are followed. Some of the warmblood regulations are outlined here. I'm also all for an incentive! As long as there were enough foals to promote active competition, I would definitely show mine there (because I will be breeding some, of course lol).
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Post by Tessa on Apr 22, 2011 13:31:55 GMT -5
Thank you Hanna! I had planned on requesting foals follow the naming restrictions/requirements of the breed and had completely forgot to add that to the contract lol. I'll make sure that gets on there.
There will hopefully be enough. Im not planning on opening in incentive until there are at least 15 - 20 actively competing foals.
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Post by Shelly on Apr 22, 2011 14:03:11 GMT -5
I can't wait to see this Tessa! It sounds like a great idea. I will probably have to resist sending all my broodmares to SCS lol.
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Post by Tessa on Apr 22, 2011 14:07:35 GMT -5
It will be open very shortly for viewing and breedings Probably around the second week of May during our Anniversary festivities. I just want to make sure I have all show records updated before I let the boys be viewed lol
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