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Post by kallahawk on Oct 20, 2010 20:24:15 GMT -5
I would also like a URL for the Mama's webpage  And I am agreed to Dee's reclaiming rights. Can't wait to see the baby! |
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Post by Ashlee on Oct 20, 2010 23:48:47 GMT -5
The foal could carry the Prl gene and the Cr gene. Most people don't realize that the creme gene and pearl genes are both dilutes. A foal that carries the Cr and Prl gene would be what they call a pseudo-double dilute. When you have a horse that is CrPrl it's phenotype is very closely resembles that of a CrCr horse of the same base color. (So a CrPrl Palomino would closely resemble a CrCr Cremello) Pearl is a recessive gene, so when there is only one gene present it does not modify the coat of the horse (except by creating a pseudo-double dilute when a Cr gene is present). This means, for example, a Black horse (E? aa) that carries the Prl gene looks exactly like a Black horse that doesn't. But say, for example, the Black horse is homozgous Pearl (E? aa PrlPrl), it's coat will be lightened to appear as a almost rusty copper color. The Pearl, Cream and Champagne genes are easily confused with each other because they act very much alike on similar base coats. I just wanted to point out Dee, that the foal could carry the Prl gene if you accounted for it in the genetics. Obviously, the foal has a 50% chance of getting it, but because there is only one Prl allele to pass on the foal would be a carrier. However they would not visibly show it, unless there was one Cr gene present, in which the foal would appear to be a double dilute. I should also note, that you cannot have a horse that is CrCr and Prl. The Prl gene takes the place of one of the Cr genes in a horse's genotype. So on a Palomino Pearl, for example the genes would be like: ee aa CrPrl (you'll want to correct that on your stallion's genotype on his page). A Cremello would be ee aa CrCr. See how the Prl gene on the first horse, takes the place of the second Cr gene on the second horse? In more techinical terms, the Cr gene and the Prl gene are carried on the same allele. This means, that on your genetics possibilities you listed, if the foal was genetically Chestnut with no Cr gene, it would have to carry the Prl gene because since your stallion is CrPrl, he must pass on either the Cr gene or the Prl gene, since they are carried on the same allele. This also means that if the foal is CrCr (Cremello) from this crossing, it cannot carry the Prl gene because it means that the mare passed on her Cr gene and the stallion passed on his Cr gene, rather than his Prl gene. These are the actual genetic possibilities of the foal: ee aa CrCr (Cremello) stallion did not pass on Prl gene, both parents passed on Cr gene ee aa CrPrl (Palomino Pearl) stallion passed on Prl gene and mare passed on Cr gene ee aa Crcr (Palomino) stallion passed on Prl gene, mare did not pass on Cr gene ee aa Prlcr (Chestnut Peal) stallion passed on Prl gene, mare did not pass on Cr gene, foal will look exactly like a Chesnut but will carry the Pearl gene and can pass it to foals On top of all of that, this also means that you cannot have a PrlPrl horse that also carries the Cr gene, since the two genes share the same allele, as I stated above. A little more about how Cream and Pearl act on each other: newdilutions.com/pearl/pearl_colors.htmSome pearl horses: www.kadanchaqh.com/stallion.htm (Scroll down to see the Palomino stallion, One Awesome Moment, that carries the Prl gene) www.smoothrunning.co.nz/sales/sales.html (The first foal on this page, SRNZ Saliente, is a Smokey Black Pearl, so the color is diluted from Black to more of a Smokey Cream-like coloring) www.horsedeals.co.uk/horses-for-sale/andalusian--lipizzaner--lusitano/Double-Pearl__26-7-10-444934 (PrlPrl Andalusian stallion) I was a little sporadic in my thoughts there, so if something doesn't make sense, just ask! lol. |
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Post by Lin Ryder on Oct 21, 2010 2:29:07 GMT -5
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Post by Dee on Oct 21, 2010 9:11:54 GMT -5
Ashlee, I'm PMing you. The foal had a 50/50 chance for pearl and when randomized, the foal did not get it. |
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Post by Ashlee on Oct 21, 2010 14:46:49 GMT -5
I PM'd you back Dee. I think you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I didn't explain it right...  The foal has to get Cream or Pearl from the sire because the Cream gene and the Pearl gene are carried on the same allele. I was noting that a Chestnut foal would not be possible from the cross, because if the stallion didn't pass on the Cream gene, he'd have to pass on the Pearl gene.  |
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Post by cheynonie on Oct 22, 2010 8:03:00 GMT -5
I agree with you Kalla, and think that it would work better.
And for the foal, could it be a Palimino Overo? I have always loved them.
Do either of you prefer if it is a stallion or a mare foal? I would kind of like it to be a stallion if that is alright.
If you are both ok with this I will go ahead and get the url set up asap and to both of you.
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Post by kallahawk on Oct 22, 2010 9:42:23 GMT -5
I don't mind colt or filly, it's up to you. |
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Post by cheynonie on Oct 22, 2010 11:20:07 GMT -5
Ok. I think I will go colt. And Ashlee would a palimino overo work? I know quite a bit about genes, but havent looked real closely at the dilutions before. So I am very confused about what you said. haha.
Lin: I would love a foal from Obsessed to Impress and No More Men. If you could get me the foal stats and let me know any conditions, that would be great.
Thanks again to everyone for all your help
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Post by Dee on Oct 22, 2010 12:02:06 GMT -5
Quinto, Yes, Palomino Overo is fine. I was tired and doing genetics wrong. [6.5 hours with 24 first graders.... NEVER again.]
The genetics [except for chestnut] was correct on the first page. The foal has no pearl.
All I need is a page URL.
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Post by cheynonie on Oct 22, 2010 12:46:39 GMT -5
Ida Sleek Sheik
If either you guys see anything wrong with his stats, please let me know. I marked him as a 2008 foal. Also, I did but a bid on that appy foal Dee |
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Post by Dee on Oct 22, 2010 13:19:01 GMT -5
He looks good, I'll be updating his sire's page here within the next week or so mainly because I'm dealing with a lot of RL stuff. I've seen your bid, and I'll probably send out a second round of PMs on sunday.
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Post by kallahawk on Oct 22, 2010 14:10:35 GMT -5
He is very pretty, I'm sure he will do really well for you |
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Post by Lin Ryder on Oct 25, 2010 15:38:23 GMT -5
Sounds good to me If you wanna rename her, just let me know the new name HPS Obsessed With Men Obsessed To Impress x No More Men 2006 Chestnut Tobiano Paint Mare 16.0 hh (ee/Aa/nT) Oh, and I want my prefix to remain, and if you wanna sell her, I'd like buybacks. Thanks |
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Post by cheynonie on Oct 25, 2010 19:20:57 GMT -5
HPS Obsessed With Men Thanks! And if you happen to come across a good chest. tobiano paint pic let me know. I cant find any URG!!!
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Post by Lin Ryder on Oct 26, 2010 3:11:12 GMT -5
LOL, will do Quinto. Looks good Thanks for the URL. Just remember she's bred for straight halter |
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The foal has to get Cream or Pearl from the sire because the Cream gene and the Pearl gene are carried on the same allele. I was noting that a Chestnut foal would not be possible from the cross, because if the stallion didn't pass on the Cream gene, he'd have to pass on the Pearl gene. 