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Post by C&H Ranch on Mar 31, 2012 22:21:13 GMT -5
Okay...we had a rainy day today, so I spent a lot of time working on this. If you guys don't mind, could you take a look at what I have up so far? I think I've addressed rules and such, as much as necessary at the moment. I have yet to make the classlist, that will come next. And I realized we should probably include a racecard of some sort...but that surely brings a bigger competition into the picture as there are TBs, Standardbreds, Arabs, QHs, Paints, Appys, endurance horses, etc. The classlist is going to be big enough as it is, unless someone else wanted to partner with me and take care of the racecards. I really wouldn't mind a couple partners to help break up the classlist results anyway. If you ARE interested in that, please post here and we can start the ball rolling on that. You will have to register at the HF board and I can make you a moderator of those particular boards. ANYWAY, here is the link. This is all PRELIMINARY and NOTHING is set in stone. But it's something to work with and improve upon for All-Sims purposes. I would love your guy's input on it and I'm sure you will see things that I don't, have ideas I didn't, etc. Speaking up will only make the whole thing better, and you won't hurt my feelings, LOL. Scroll down to the category that says All-Breed Stallion Auction and Annual Show. It should be viewable and postable for everyone. I didn't think you guys would appreciate my making all of you register for HF's forum haha. horsesforever.proboards.com/index.cgiOn that note, please do not start nominating stallions, LOL. That won't help right now haha. I included some association/game incentives there as an example for everyone, too. Please let me know what you think. This is exciting, and I would love to see it a success!
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Post by indiza on Apr 1, 2012 7:12:29 GMT -5
Oh, I love this idea! I'm also totally in for helping you with this once I am fully 'back from hiatus' lol. This sounds like it's going to be so much fun
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Post by kaimelstable on Apr 1, 2012 7:55:55 GMT -5
This all sounds very exciting. I'm already debating which stallions to nominate lol
I have a question about nominating stallions. If your allowed to nominate 4 stallions, do you keep those stallions nominated or can you switch them with different ones later on?
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Post by Julia on Apr 1, 2012 8:09:01 GMT -5
okay... First questions I'm a litttle confused on: General ASBA Rules Post:If the ASBA wasn't around in 2011, how are we accepting foals from studs nominated in 2012, for the 2011 birth year? My understanding was that only foals bred from the nominated auction could compete, correct? Are we then accepting ANY foals the sire had in 2011 to be eligible? I don't feel like I'm asking my question very clearly though, so let me know if that was understandable! Just to clarify - if I nominate horse A in 2012, i would have to offer another breeding in 2013 for his 2012 foals to still be eligible, correct? Dumb question - and you may have answered this in another thread... How many rights you have is dependent on YOU (the owner), and not the horse, correct? For instance - if I wanted to nominate 2 studs - I would have x amount of breedings to offer per stud? If I wanted to nominate 3 studs, that same X amount would have to be split between the three studs... You don't give each stud 5 breedings (or whatever number), and the person can nominate as many horses as she/he wants - so long as the program director doesn't nix the number of nominations... Just reading through the about section - it might be good to state how many rights are allotted to each person higher in the post - I kept reading and reading and thinking 'Okay.. so how many rights do I get?" Also... Are nominated stallions allowed to offer only one breeding? I think that's all the questions I have...
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Post by kaimelstable on Apr 1, 2012 8:52:54 GMT -5
This is very much like what I had originally planned for the ASMA. Personally I think it should be one breeding per stallion thats nominated. Not that I suppose it matters but just might be better if every horse was expected to do the same thing. But also would help from having any one sire from dominating the show with his offspring and would help to get the other horses breedings used. For instance if a really nice stud offers 3 breedings then more than likely people will be flooding that one horse and then cutting the chances down for the other, maybe lesser known, horses. With only one breeding each it puts more value on all the studs. In my opinion atleast. Its something I noticed with the Vday auctions when people offered multiple breedings to their horses. Lots of good horses were simply overlooked because popular studs had more spots.
Julia; I imagine the idea behind allowing 2011 foals is if you didnt then there would only be a handful of weanlings to compete which wouldn't be much of a show lol
Question; To keep foals eligible the stallion must continue to offer a breeding each year correct? My only issue with this is after a year or so I'm not sure I will want the stallion to continue being nominated. Or what if he retires? But more importantly what happens if I purchased the breeding and the stallion owner falls off the face of the earth? I think its more fair to the purchasers of these foals if they are automatically nominated for life. If I were to get a breeding it'd be atleast partially because the foal IS nominated. If there was a risk the foal could be ineligible in later years due to a lack of activity on the stallion owners part I will be much more hesitant when I pick my stallions and new comers might have a harder time getting interest in their stallions because of this.
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Post by C&H Ranch on Apr 1, 2012 12:43:43 GMT -5
I'll try to address this in the order they were posted. Heather - yes, you can switch your stallions out the next year if you wish. I am considering that as well. It would make the bloodlines available from each stable more various, as well. Plus you could have foals from more horses in your stable competing, rather than say, three foals in three years from one stallion. Julia - This was something I included in the AJC to promote the Blood Horse race this year...otherwise there won't be any entries in the races LOL. Most of our members start their foals as weanlings or yearlings in HF. So this is totally optional and up for discussion for the ASBA. My thoughts behind this were that if someone wanted to compete in the under saddle classes, but we are imposing aging limits (at birth only...some age their horses different than others) for ASBA foals, then having a previously born horse from only 2011 would help promote activity and they could be basically grandfathered in. It's essentially a freebie to kick-start the show portion of the program to promote more activity and competition within the show. That is correct. Of course following up on this is still left to be determined. I suppose what we can do is after the auction move all the stallions who weren't bid upon to the formerly nominated section. All stallions that WERE bid upon will remain on the auction board (as they are eligible for another year) and it is up to the stallion owner to post if they want that stallion removed. If not, the owner says nothing, the stallion stays, and the owner posts a check for their nominated stallions for that year. This is something that also needs to be addressed in the rules. Not a dumb question. Basically what Heather said is correct (and the reasons behind it too). One stallion breeding per auction, and that's it. Only one foal from that stallion can be produced for that auction. I believe I listed the quota at the bottom of the post in the "How to nominate" section on the auction board. You are allowed four nominations to four different stallions. If you choose to nominate only three stallions, the fourth right is not awarded to an already nominated stallion - it must be a different stallion, or you could even sell your breeding right to someone else so they can nominate five stallions. Also, if your horse wins a championship in the show he is allowed a free nomination entry and that does not count towards your four breeding right quota. The general idea of the whole thing is to promote the highest quality from each stable, limit the amount of breedings from each animal so that the foal would be very desirable because it's nominated for the program, and promote some of the lesser-known but quality stallions for infusion of lines with other stables. And you're right, that should be in the general overview of the whole thing. I will add that. Heather - Once the foal itself is registered on the proper form, it is registered for life regardless of if the stallion drops out of the program. Basically the stallion nomination and foal nomination are separate entities, but both need to be performed. Once the foal is born AND registered on the board, it can compete for the rest of its career. One reason it would be best to make sure the foal itself is registered on the board is that if the foal changes hands later, the new owner can look it up and say, "Hey, my new horse is a ASBA!" lol. Plus, it shouldn't be hard for purchasers of the breedings to remember to register it on the board as we promote using the breedings within two years of purchase and I'd imagine that the owner would still be active in sim if they purchased a breeding in 2012 and had a 2012 foal LOL. Those are very good points though, and the main reason why the foal nomination is separate. We actually have some really awesome stallions in the AHA that are still nominated in the program because they have been bid upon year after year and are automatically entered back in the program. Their owner left HF five years ago, lol (she knows they are in the program still).
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Post by shay on Apr 1, 2012 13:52:05 GMT -5
This all sounds really good. It is a bit complex but after rereading everything I think I understand. I am very excited about this and I am able to help if you need it...just let me know.
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Post by kaimelstable on Apr 1, 2012 22:32:06 GMT -5
Oh okay I must have misread the text.
I do find some of it confusing to understand. Theres so much information about it and such if theres anyway you can cut out unnecessary stuff I think it might be helpful. I don't know I just thought it was a lot of reading and hard to follow.
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Post by C&H Ranch on Apr 1, 2012 23:10:37 GMT -5
It IS a lot of reading...what do you guy suggest to be cut? I can revise the sentences and maybe combine things. Are there "rules" that seem unnecessary?
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